The first part of this conversation was recorded on march fifth, a couple of days before new york city just imploded. The second is actually a new conversation that we taped remotely four months after the one that you have just heard. What you will hear in this kind of epilogue conversation is not just a person whose thoughts on dance and teaching have changed, but a person who has been profoundly moved to question his deepest assumptions about movement,. equity, access and so much more.

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