There's a distinction in plato's gorgius between two kinds of persuasion. And socrates is like, i want to know which kind that's really superimportant to me? Is it the truth kind, or is it the anything kind? So hard to know, though, ou know, yes, a gitfor for each of us. I suspect socrates was more than just logical. I suspect he was carismatic. My wife has a scepticism about carisma,. ecause i'm a succor for carisma, a carismetic speaker. She her my first, my first response to carismatic speaker is to dive in. Ya, take meim