So we'll take

a digression here and I'll like go into amusing which comes from something that you said, which really doesn't apply to either your book or to you. But it's just a thought, which is that, you know, you mentioned about how you weren't sure of what you were going to do. And then you read Shakerik Jivni. And then you realized that my God, this Agai, I was so young when he wrote it, he did so much, he went into stuff. And I find that there is like, there are these binaries and and and and you know, there are people who can get trapped into this binary, you're there full of self doubt. And that might mean that you overthink it and you don't end up doing anything. And on the other hand, you have people who are just people of action who are jumping into things, perhaps when they're unprepared and they can't do it. And at one level, you know, you want to be the guy who with the self doubt in the sense that there is, you know, the famous phrase running Kruger effect, which has two sides to it. The site that people talk about is that people who are not good at something often think they're better than they are. And which leads through too much confidence. And there are so many pundits on Twitter like that. But equally, people who are really good at something, they find it so easy and they take it for granted that they assume that everybody else also knows that. And they think they're worse at it than they actually are. And this can lead to sort of the imposter syndrome, where you'll be like, am I good enough to do this? Am I not good enough to do this? So that's one side of it. But the other side of it is that actually those who suffer from the Dunning-Kruger syndrome, or those who have the bias for action, the positive side of it is that you only learn things by doing things. And these are people who are plunging into the world. And sometimes they fake it till they make it. Sometimes they fall on their face, but they learn a lesson from that. And, you know, and some of us overthinkers, we overthink too much and don't end up doing enough. So I wonder what you feel about, you know, these two aspects of it. Yeah, I

agree with you entirely. I learned, for instance, when I was getting into the first book, I'm a kind of, at some stage, I don't know when it happened, I kind of, my fiction reading came down drastically. Even now, now I read far more fiction than I used to say five years back. And I started reading a lot of these academic tones, and I loved reading them. And I can be really, I can read them over three days, and some people will say, what is wrong with you? Now, can you read this dense prose? But I loved it. So when I got into Gita Press, I had, as you said, you know, you learn in the course of the journey, I learned a lot. And I was so full of self-doubt. And I have few friends, I have few mentors, you can call them my teachers. Some of them, I was showing my chapters, which was first time I was doing something. It was not like journalism where you write in the midnight and early morning, it's in cold print. And I knew this kind of, because I'm self-doubt, I was always uncertain how good will it be, whether it's good. And I need that validation from some of my friends, who were very good at it, who took, went to academics and did, and they were all along very good students. And so I'll show it to them. And I remember showing, giving my first chapter to a friend of mine, our name house is a big academic in the US. She's a very thorough person. She's the most honest person that I know. She read it. She's not, and she comes from a world where she doesn't even know about Gita Press. She's part South Indian and part, she has a lacno background. And she read

it and she said,

who have you written it for? You know, so, and you know, it was, I remember some 30-page chapter, I had printed, I had sent her the word file, and she sent me some 12-page comments.