If pain is and symptoms are the primary category for resolve, then you're not opening up what some of the core existential therapists like Rolo May in the 30s and 40s began to underscore. So a approach therapeutically that is primarily symptom oriented, I would say already is barking up the proverbial wrong tree. And so we can begin with as being made in the image of God is everyone worships. The question is, who do you worship? WhatDo you worship? And how do you in some sense ritualize that worship? If we can allow that to be the basis, even in the midst of dealing with some of the symptoms that brought you in, then it's less

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