Introduction

Jen, I think you're the only person I lock antlers with in political media on a rate. The way my brain works is to try to go like, okay, we've got a disagreement. Let's figure out where we overlap first, and then let's go to the disagreement bit. There's going to be a guy you're going to love him, Jen. It's an episode that I'm going to recommend you listen to on my show, Guy Standing. We agreed on 80% of the stuff. And we walked away and we were like, we actually agree on most things, but I should have fought him. My instincts are to be like,Okay, where do