Pardcast guest, malcolm mc iver, who studies the transition from life in the water to life on land. And he thinks that that was actually the first transition that started animals on the road to imagining the future long before there was language. We're making a claim about the intelligence of dolphins and octopuses and so forth. They can have, in some sense, very high intelligence, but they don't talk in complicated ways without this sort of infinite possibility space that language gives us. So what i want to ask you is a, again, to be very, very specific, because you just made the claim that only human beings have this ability to generate a infinite number of

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