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#42 Driving Urgency for Change with Carl Ferreira, Director of Sales at Refine Labs

Winning the Challenger Sale

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The Importance of Detaching the Outcome

"It's a cliche thing to say detaching the outcome, but you can tell if you put two sellers selling to the same customer having two totally different conversations," he says. "Even just the tonality of someone who's detached from the outcome is wildly different" He adds: "I don't know that that conversation happens as much as we'd like."

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