"There's so many jobs that need to be done to resolve the meta-crisis, which are right and not being handled," he says. "This notion that the technology can pop us out of the top of the civilizational model into a civilizational model that saves us is the only vision" The whole built technical environment becomes a Skinner's box, becoming an enormous operating condition of the chamber. But the whole point is that, and we have to build it or else we'll all die."

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