Is it possible at all to get full enlightenment without evical to samadi? Yes, technically yes. If that can be connected to god, if one can see god is in non different from that, then your sense of god also will become non wavering. And and ar effortless, bill, the bocter who realizes god isn't that person aults o the fourth category, the wise one referred to in 17 em. The last one, patrick, would most ganes experience nivical posamady. Most cannies would experiencely. Pick up samaty. Some do not. M sometimes sram chrishna would say, or dasdash