Let's broaden the lens out a little bit. There's been all sorts of discussion in the legal profession about the impact of generative AI on the profession itself, putting aside hyper draft specifically. What's your view as to the impact of this? It's not really new technology, but certainly new to most people technology on the profession itself.

I'm not going to do a doomsday answer. Let's see here. So I don't know how much effect GIN AI itself will have on the profession. I think like I said earlier, it'll be a gateway drug to more conversations about AI use generally and legal and legal tech. However, I don't think it'll go away fully. In my mind, I see it as the new interface for Google in some regard. And I think it does solve one big problem for people, which is the blank page phenomenon of sometimes when you're just staring at something you don't know how to get started and with chat GPT that can go away. So do I think it's really going to affect the business of law? Not necessarily, but I think day to day it might help with that roadblock of the blank page and keep people learning about technology and interested in technology. So in many ways, it's more like a new Google and a catalyst for tech literacy as opposed to being an instrumental player and perhaps changing the business of law in my mind. One thing that I do find interesting that I'm hoping lawyers will kind of as they start seeing it more will have like a light bulb moment and will help us all out. Those of us trying to fight the good fight and make their lives easier with technology. I know people don't believe me when I say that, but I truly mean that is, I don't know if you've experienced this, Stephen, but people out the gate with GIN AI had like a zero or 100 reaction to it was like everyone, like the profession is going to die. This is the worst thing ever or this is the best thing ever and anyone that has any complaints doesn't understand what they're talking about. I think our team has been in the middle, which has been a very interesting place to be. And I think that's the most productive place to be because I think that's more where the reality sits. And I realize, you know, as a marketer, WWE has mastered it for 50 years being the heel or being the victor is like way easier than being in the middle, right? But I don't know that that's where progress is made. So I'm hoping that the age of AI, the year 2023, those polarized conversations about AI and Internet AI will hopefully calm down. We'll get more to a middle type of realistic framework for thinking about these things. And hopefully that will continue with tech, but really in legal tech and, you know, it's been exacerbated by this latest iteration of AI. It's been so polarized for so long. And I'm really just seeking a future where people have gotten over that and they move to the more mature middle. I hope

that's the case. I certainly think we're moving in that direction. So I see it the same way. Ashley, we were at our time. I want to thank you very much for your insights in your views. It's been fascinating. Thank you so much. Yes.

Thanks so much. Great chatting with you.

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