EXCLUSIVE: Quantum’s SpaceX Moment? Ashlee Vance on PsiQuantum’s Moonshot
Core Memory creator, Silicon Valley’s Science Expert, & once–quantum skeptic Ashlee Vance sits down with PsiQuantum’s Co-Founder & CSO Pete Shadbolt for a candid, wide-ranging conversation.
After touring PsiQuantum’s secretive labs—more than five years after first covering the company—Ashlee found his skepticism shaken, likening PsiQuantum’s ongoing uphill climb to SpaceX’s decade-long, near-death march toward liftoff. Pete reveals why mission, mindset, and his mantra “always be impressive” are non-negotiables for a team attempting a moonshot that may take years to fully realize.
If PsiQuantum succeeds, this may be remembered as the conversation where skeptics began to believe.
1. Pete Shadbolt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pete-shadbolt-4b7541126/
2. Ashlee Vance: https://x.com/ashleevance
3. Molly O’Shea: https://x.com/MollySOShea
4. Sourcery: https://x.com/sourceryvc
Brought to you by:
• Brex—The modern finance platform, combining the world’s smartest corporate card with integrated expense management, banking, bill pay, & travel.
As a Sourcery Listener you get: 75,000 points after spending $3,000 on Brex card(s), white-glove onboarding, $5,000 in AWS credits, $2,500 in OpenAI credits, & access to $180k+ in SaaS discounts. On top of $500 toward Brex travel, $300 in cashback, plus exclusive perks (like billboards..) visit → https://brex.com/sourcery
• Turing—Turing delivers top-tier talent, data, and tools to help AI labs improve model performance—and enables enterprises to turn those models into powerful, production-ready systems. Visit: https://turing.com/sourcery
• Kalshi—The largest prediction market and the only legal platform in the US where people can trade directly on the outcomes of future events: https://kalshi.com/sourcery
Follow Sourcery for the latest updates!
https://www.sourcery.vc/
Chapters:
(00:00) Intro: Molly welcomes Pete & Ashlee
(00:53) Ashlee’s history covering quantum since 2007
(03:11) What makes PsiQuantum different
(05:11) Touring PsiQuantum labs: hardware challenges & scale
(07:20) Why Ashlee trusted PsiQuantum’s story
(08:43) Pete: “Come and see the wafers”
(10:23) The academic → startup culture gap in quantum
(13:24) Ashlee’s “mind palace” shoot in chaotic engineer’s office
(16:12) How PsiQuantum keeps its team motivated for a decade-long mission
(17:02) Apollo 11 as a model for focus & alignment
(20:01) Pete’s management mantra: “Always be impressive”
(20:25) The mud-slinging problem in quantum pitches
(22:51) Hardware timelines: SpaceX as a 10–15 year lesson
(24:47) Closing reflections: Quantum’s future and PsiQuantum’s place in history
