John Defterios: The first thing that I'm sure founders who are listening to this are wondering is like, how do you know when is the right time to sell? So it seems like in the context of your business, John, who was the CEO of the business, like he was ready for for a change. It was that the primary driver for why you guys were looking to sell Ampush. Was there anything else contributing to it? "I think most founders undervalue how important it is that they, it's such a personal choice"

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