If the educational system in the elementary and high school levels is improved we would need affirmative action these kids would get good educations so from all backgrounds poor kids will get good education correct if public unions are abolished. Do you more incidentally the postal service would probably work better too that's a whole other conversation but do you at the core of the problem of the inequality in universities that diversity inclusion and equity programs are trying to solve? "I think we will never improve as long as we're able to cover up the wound," he says.