It all came to a head with george floyd and the b l m demonstrations. But this idea that satues and monuments can be harmful by just being there is wrong. The church has done in these reports? They've said, you know, every leadership position church must have 30 % u k m e people being put forward on a short list. If we're not white, you pot the same club. That's how they see us. A better thing is for us all to just not be races but it's that tribalism, isn't it? You've got to be in the anti racism camp, otherwise you're, you must be a racist.

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