Eric Wagner: I'm coming up against this feeling like I need to make. What is my legacy as we start to age? Mike Gathers: There's a part of me that just feels like I have something to say and I need to get it out into the world. The next episode will discuss magical thinking with Lionel Snell, known in chaos magic circles by the pin name Ramsey Dukes. Until then, I am your host Mike Gathereds, signing off with love and cheerfulness. Amor Alaritas.