The Patience and Conviction Needed to Pay Up

My appearance on Excess Returns with Matt Zeigler as the host.

I recently had the pleasure of joining my good friend Matt Zeigler on the Excess Returns podcast. Jack Forehand, the creative force behind the show, did an exceptional job editing and producing the episode. Jack has been instrumental in many improvements to Talking Billions over the years, and I’m grateful to both him and Matt for this opportunity.

We dove deep into my recent article, “Expensive Truth about Cheap Investments,” which caught the attention of major publications like the WSJ and sparked considerable discussion among readers and listeners. The piece clearly touched a nerve and opened up a conversation worth having.

What started as a discussion about the article evolved into something more. Thanks to Matt’s skillful hosting, we explored new territory—sharing stories, anecdotes, and recent insights I haven’t discussed publicly before. The hour-long conversation captures not just the core ideas of the article, but the deeper implications and real-world applications that make this topic so compelling.

I’m excited to share this episode with you—it’s reposted here with permission and blessing from both Matt and Jack. Don’t miss it!

In this episode of Excess Returns, Matt Zeigler sits down with investor and author Bogumil Baranowski to discuss one of investing’s most important mindset shifts: moving beyond cheap stocks to paying up for quality and exceptional opportunities. Drawing on lessons from Warren Buffett, Ben Graham, and his own journey, Bogumil explains how value investing evolves across three key phases—buying cheap, buying good, and learning to pay up. The conversation explores patience, conviction, dead money periods, family wealth stewardship, and how to think about value versus price in a noisy world.
Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction – The cheapest dentist analogy
03:00 Why investors love cheap stocks
07:00 The evolution from bargain hunter to quality investor
09:00 Examples from Ben Graham, Buffett, and Facebook
15:30 Conviction, drawdowns, and dead money
19:00 Judging success by business progress, not stock price
27:00 Lessons from grandma on value and frugality
31:00 How Buffett evolved from cheap to quality
45:00 Investing for future generations
49:00 Invisible wealth and stewardship
52:00 The value investor dilemma
58:00 Equal-weight vs market-cap indexes
59:00 Lessons for the average investor
1:02:00 How much research you really need
1:04:30 How his WSJ essay came to life and final takeaways

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