Is There a Virtue to Testing?

A lot of people were like, oh my God, Kent Beck gave up on testing. And I remember feeling a feeling in my heart at the time that I do not feel now. So something definitely changed in the water. There's one other issue or issue with our spec that we haven't touched on which is like learning how to program is hard. It's a lot. You may as well know nothing if you've got a DSL that is informed by 15 years of agile coaching history and it isn't introspectable.