Over the last few months, Nikki Haley has gained enough in the polls to suggest she is on the verge of surpassing Ron DeSantis as the main threat to Donald J. Trump in the race to become the Republican candidate for 2024.

Jazmine Ulloa, a national politics reporter for The Times; and Nate Cohn, The Times’s chief political analyst, discuss her building momentum and examine how far she might go.

Guest: Jazmine Ulloa, a national politics reporter for The New York Times.

Nate Cohn, The New York Times’s chief political analyst.

Background reading: 

• Nikki Haley’s path from Trump critic to defender and back.
• Why is Ms. Haley’s star rising among the rivals to Mr. Trump?
• Here are five takeaways from the Republican debate last night.

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