The Importance of 60

There's almost 57 year olds that do. Kevin Kelly, that's around Kevin Kelly and, and Stephen Levy's age. There's an interview with Steve Case before he was at AOL. It's Steve Case was like the, the vice president of marketing at the place that I think got you know, merged into AOL. Is that on the, uh, the, I thought on my Twitter, let me find it.