The Uthophro Problem - You Can't Have It Both Ways

Youthfo raises a puzzle that's still very much alive in philosophy of religion and also metaethics. A uthepro he wants to say two incompatible things. He can't have it both ways either: What's pious is pious already, and that's why the gods love it. In which case, piety is something essentially independent of them. It has to exist independently for them to respond to it by loving it. Or you could substitute in good, any kind of value there. They make thig good bye, having a certain attitude to them.