i'm not a big people pleaser. i don't have anybody's numbers on there, so i don't even know how many likes people get or anything like that. I think where i am now because i lead a big organization, and i i write books, and i feel like if i name too much else, you're goin to kick me off your podcassm. That's still just what i do. And who i am is who i am with my kids in my house,. Who i am is my friendships that i cry on the back patio with all the timeBecause we're working through real life issues that have nothing to do with my work. But that work

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