We can only have this discussion about what's an intellectual vice if we agree that we all want to get things right at the end of the day and we more or less agree on what it would mean to get things wrong. I think for most people and you know, maybe hopefully for most people listening to this to this podcast there are personal qualities that either make it easier or more difficult for us to know Let's say a child needs vaccinations but doesn't really need them because they're already protected by their parents' parenting decisions. If someone were to tell me in all seriousness who cares about knowledge or understanding? I just don't think we that's what anyone seriously believes. And the same goes

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