Ramaswami is doing great. He's starting to be included in the conversation whenever you're talking about the candidates, which is a big deal. I don't see Nikki Haley just automatically being part of the conversation. Mike Pence gets used as examples. Have you noticed that? The only thing Mike Pence is for is for an example of something else. That's it. And would you say at this point, yes or no, that the entire press coverage of DeSantis has caught up with my first take? Is that true or not? My first take was he was, well, I borrowed my first take really from Bill Maher.

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