Max Harms and Jeremy Gillen are current and former MIRI researchers who both see superintelligent AI as an imminent extinction threat.
But they disagree on whether it’s worthwhile to try to aim for obedient, “corrigible” AI as a singular target for current alignment efforts.
Max thinks corrigibility is the most plausible path to build ASI without losing control and dying, while Jeremy is skeptical that this research path will yield better superintelligent AI behavior on a sufficiently early try.
By listening to this debate, you’ll find out if AI corrigibility is a relatively promising effort that might prevent imminent human extinction, or an over-optimistic pipe dream.
Timestamps
0:00 — Episode Preview
1:18 — Debate Kickoff
3:22 — What is Corrigibility?
9:57 — Why Corrigibility Matters
11:41 — What’s Your P(Doom)™
16:10 — Max’s Case for Corrigibility
19:28 — Jeremy’s Case Against Corrigibility
21:57 — Max’s Mainline AI Scenario
28:51 — 4 Strategies: Alignment, Control, Corrigibility, Don’t Build It
37:00 — Corrigibility vs HHH (”Helpful, Harmless, Honest”)
44:43 — Asimov’s 3 Laws of Robotics
52:05 — Is Corrigibility a Coherent Concept?
1:03:32 — Corrigibility vs Shutdown-ability
1:09:59 — CAST: Corrigibility as Singular Target, Near Misses, Iterations
1:20:18 — Debating if Max is Over-Optimistic
1:34:06 — Debating if Corrigibility is the Best Target
1:38:57 — Would Max Work for Anthropic?
1:41:26 — Max’s Modest Hopes
1:58:00 — Max’s New Book: Red Heart
2:16:08 — Outro
Show Notes
Max’s book Red Heart — https://www.amazon.com/Red-Heart-Max-Harms/dp/108822119X
Learn more about CAST: Corrigibility as Singular Target — https://www.lesswrong.com/s/KfCjeconYRdFbMxsy/p/NQK8KHSrZRF5erTba
Max’s Twitter — https://x.com/raelifin
Jeremy’s Twitter — https://x.com/jeremygillen1
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