The Primacy of Vision in Zen

The first meeting was good. The second time, like in my book, Caplo sort of did this zen testing thing where, you know, and, and Douglas didn't go for that. He said, I've just come to share something. I haven't come to be tested. But I've, there's a lettuce. So with that provides, oh, how would you instruct? How do you instruct someone who is contemplating this for the first time? Yes. And we can talk a little bit about the primacy of vision as a, as a context in which to see this experience - but we have to recognize that it can be recognized with your eyes closed too.