Eric Liu: I think it's helpful for some of our younger listeners to hear the trajectory of successful people like you and recognize how profoundly and deeply nonlinear it is. So, you know, you got your Ivy League degree when everybody is going into finance and consulting and you pulled up stakes and went to Southern California to type. But then what was very strange was after the book deal closed, literally two weeks later, California locked down for the pandemic. You know, okay, this isn't, this is a journey we're all on because we're all going to need like the relationship defibrillator when this thing is over.