Ralise: I started out really averse to the entire sound world. In connection with hitler us purely a question of the sound. It wasn't until i was in my twenties that i began really seriously listening to wagner as music. But always with weariness, always witha consciousness of how this extraordinary figure, a who really had it in him,. i think he could have become a cultural figure on the scale of esculus, dante, shakespeare. There's universalism. There is this profound psychological understanding, coupled with is flare for painting on the huge canvas and manipulating mythic motifs. And so it shadows his achievements. He had the potential to become...

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