So practice,

yeh, that's that's well said. Man. I feel like you and i could go down the rabbit hole into embodiment. I think we'll maybe have to do that for part two. I don't understand how this conversation went by so quicklyaha, a dos i da feel lik we sat down for coffee. Ad o myk oshi.

If we got we gong to end the call. But

i think, just to reflect back some of the practical things about what you were saying there, when it comes to engaging in the tussle o conflict or o uncomfortable conversations within ationship, some of the things that i heard you say that i think are very practical for the man listening to this is facing your partner to the best of your capacity, having an open chest, right? So tuning into your body language, connecting with the breath, and being able to, i think the word that you used was modulate, which i think is really wonderful, you know, ecause i think for a lot of men, they hear the word embodied, and they're like, what? They know, what the hell does not even mean? But i think, in some ways, what i hear you saying, it's like, you still want to be able to drive the vehicle of you even when there's stress or, you know, a hard conversation that's happening. So outside of the, you know, face the person that you're engaging have an open chest and open body, not in an intimidating way, but in a way that you're feeling your heart, you're feeling your body, your feeling the emotions underneath that your breathing. Any other just sort of tactical pieces that you would like to end with there. When a man receives criticism and he wants to shift his response to that criticism,

the thing that works best for me is to focus outside of myself while while staying like, you know, everything you've just said is, is about like, getting grounded in yourself, connecte to your body, feeling your heart, feeling your seat in the chair, like, ok, i'm here. I'm safe. I'm fine, right? That's self regulation. And then get out of your own self centered. I'm waiting to talk here and get my point across, and get into what's going on for the other person. How are they experiencing this right now? And also tat it also really helps when your ic speaking. You know, anybody who's who's had some nerves public speaking? Once you get up and you you think about the audience and like, oh, how can i talk to this guy in the audience? Rather than like, oh, here's me on a stage. Right now. I'm so nervous. What if i fuck up?

Right?

There's that like, inner loop that you can really get stuck on. That's, that's sort of anxiety and fear based. Get curious about the other person. That's, i think the number one thing is like trying to figure out what it's like to be them, ampathize with them. There's been many times where i'm in a conflict with my partner, and she's like, the issue right now is that i don't feel you feeling me, like you're just like waiting to talk or trying to reason with me, and i don't think you've taken half a second to really drop into what it must be like to feel this way. And that's what i'm looking for. And i love that she's so eloquent and able to say that, caus like in those moments i'm like, oh, k

ok, i can't fight that. You just made that arly clear.

Ya, so curiosity about the other person, it's like we're all infected with this sort ofk narcisistic, self centeredness that is bred into us by the current way that we do life. We're all looking at reflections of ourselves all the time. Ah, and so being genuinely curious about what it's like to be in the other person's body and being their experience, i think is the, is the best thing for getting a guy into that sort of space, holding space.

Wonderful.