Stanley robinson has written over 20 novels, most recently, the ministry for the future. He is interviewed by daniel dona cohen, a professor of sociology at the university of california berkeley. They focus on how these ideas have changed or held firm in robinson's new ron climate politics. If you are a supporter and you're not yet getting our new weekly news letter, go to the patrion web site and make sure that patrion is forwarding messages to the correct e mail address. Please support the dig at p an dot com, slash the dig.