Sally Kohn: I think there are two related ideas here that maybe we're mingling together. How is the balance changing in terms of going to a university to learn it versus trying to self teach it and get involved in open source projects, et cetera? And the second is, how do we fit ideas from programming data science related fields into sort of broader curricula because now more and more of the world involves programming and data?"Kohn: It's important to have more than one basic kind of skill that you can then take out and say, this is one I'm going to use for my career. Careers are changing. We know people are going to be bouncing

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