The Importance of Play in Songwriting

I think it's so important I'm sure you've experienced this in in songwriting that you not hold too closely what you think this thing is about when you start because you're not gonna be as smart at the beginning of the process. If I'm holding too tightly to what the idea was to start with I'm limiting myself to what was going on and you're also limiting yourself to your conscious mind, he says. You spend so much time like in the trenches of the of the verse but there's like a it's like play and like earth that happens and I think that maybe I haven't gotten to that point as a hymn writer yet where I'm able to just like