In this conversation, Atossa discusses her book 'The Hidden Globe,' which explores the complexities of special economic zones and the unconventional legal systems that exist outside traditional nation-states. She reflects on her upbringing in Geneva, Switzerland, and how it shaped her understanding of sovereignty and international law. The discussion delves into the evolution of citizenship by investment, the implications of offshoring asylum seekers, and the rise of a digital nomad class that challenges traditional notions of belonging and social contracts. In this conversation, Atossa and Mark delve into the complexities of immigration, the dynamics of migrant labor in Saudi Arabia, the challenges of governance in conflict zones, and the future of charter cities. They explore the motivations behind migration, the implications of statelessness, and the evolving nature of sovereignty in regions experiencing instability. The discussion also touches on the potential and pitfalls of charter cities as a solution to governance issues in developing countries.