I think we've ignored too much of the living energies of the universe, including the energy that we have as creative bodies. How in a disaster do you deal with climate disasters by diversity? I don't know a single person who on their own say, Oh, this is drudgery work. They're the happiest people. And if today they're having to grow opium to survive, it is not purely climate change. It is the walls that were imposed on them. So basically, industrial agriculture is a fossil fuel food system. 50% of the emissions come from a bad food system that's also making us sick. We could in 10 years pull down the excess CO2 and grow more

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