Why I Learned to Dive to Report on the Ocean

President Trump is throwing out all kinds of reasons to try to explain some of Tuesday's US election results. While this includes false claims of election rigging, a new cover story in The Atlantic suggests this administration is also taking concrete actions that undermine that very security. According to one expert, "If you are not frightened, you are not paying attention." Atlantic staff writer David A. Graham joins the show to discuss his reporting. 

Also on today's show: author Salman Rushdie; NYT climate reporter Raymond Zhong 

Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices