I love all of you guys. You know, I gotta, you know, Ax gave me one of the pricks for Biden buttons that he got. So I'm all on board. I, you know, I love all you guys. So after August 5th, after you guys get all of this out of your system, I guess you'll be like, that's my old guy. I'm with the old guy.

I'm with the old guy. I think that's much more compelling than I think he's killing it. All right. I'm with the old guy. Oh, I've never said

that now. He's

what we have, you know,

when you're growing up and you're not doing well on a test and a teacher comes over and you may not be the smartest or the quickest and the teacher looks at you and she just simply says, you got to work with what you got. And that's what we're doing.

All right. Bakari Sellers, some of our listeners who've been annoyed with me are going to be throwing flowers at your feet on social media. Thank you for coming on. And next year, next year you're texting me for Essence Fest, assuming we're allowed to have an Essence Fest in the Donald Trump 2 .0 regime, who knows exactly what the rules are going to be around that, but assuming we have it and assuming, you know, I'm welcome. I'll see you down here next year. All right, brother. Bye -bye. All right. Thanks so much to Bakari Sellers. Up next, Elena Plotk -Clavro. Let me tell you, if there's a surefire way to wake up feeling fresh and ready to podcast after the President of the United States caused you to have a night of drinking, it's with Z -biotics. Z -biotics pre -alcohol probiotic drink is the world's first genetically engineered probiotic. It was invented by PhD scientists to tackle rough mornings after drinking. Here's how it works. When you drink, alcohol gets converted into a toxic byproduct in the gut. It's this byproduct, not dehydration. That's to blame for your rough next day. Z -biotics produces an enzyme to break this byproduct down. Just remember to make Z -biotics your first drink of the night. Drink responsibly and you'll feel your best tomorrow. I've been promising myself during this campaign, it's like I'm going to drink from going out to a concert, only going to drink on the weekends. And well, you know, the reality that we're living in has intervened. I've had to have a couple cocktails the last few weeks, but I want to wake up and be ready to podcast. And so I was excited to use Z -Biotics, which had already been recommended to me before they became a sponsor by a friend who is a musician and nobody needs to make sure that they are feeling fresh after a night of drinking more than somebody that's on tour. So let me tell you, vacations, weddings, birthdays, and reunions, there's so much going on. Get the most out of your plans by stocking up on pre -alcohol now. go to zbiotics .com slash the bulwark to get 15% off your first order when you use the bulwark at checkout. Z -biotics is backed with 100% money back guarantee, so if you're unsatisfied for any reason, they'll refund your money, no questions asked. Remember to head to zbiotics .com slash the bulwark and use the code the bulwark at checkout for 15% off. Thank you, Z -Biotics, for sponsoring this episode and our good times. All right, we are back with Elena Platt -Kalabro from the Atlantic. Welcome back to the board podcast. Been wanting to chat with you. How you doing, girl?

Hey, thanks so much for having me, Tim. I've missed you all.

You know, who would have thought? Here you are, Kamala Harris expert. We're bringing you on for your Kamala Harris expertise in this moment of uncertainty. You had written two, I guess you wrote one profile called the Kamala Harris problem, what, about six months ago? And did a follow up here during this potential interregnum or this time of uncertainty. And so I just kind of wanted to go a little bit deeper on her and you know just maybe just start us off with kind of the Reader's Digest version of what your main takeaways were from all the time you get to spend with the VP. Yeah

so a lot of time is right. I think over the course of my reporting my profile of her last year I traveled with her to Africa to Nevada to California to Georgia so various states And then you know a bunch of different countries in Africa so by the end I certainly had spent a great deal of time with Kamala Harris and I think through not just getting to know her, but getting to know people around her, getting to know people in the West Wing, who, you know, would actually speak to me for the story. What I came away feeling pretty clearly is that, and this is sort of what I talk about in my piece that came out this week, is that the Biden administration really kind of fumbled the ball when it came to preparing her for the presidency, or putting her in a position to where if he were to have to step aside for whatever reason, Americans would have confidence that she could lead this country capably.