The Shift in the Conversation in the Church

When she was growing up, there was nothing and everything, everything was men. I think for women to even websites where all of the photos are of men, that's really hard. If I logged on while actively addicted and saw all men, I was like, no, this isn't for me. They don't understand my heart. And they don't understand the that-ed shame that comes into play when you're a woman. So, but the shift, yeah, even since beginning Magdala has been significant,. But I think who's driving it is, yes, women speaking up, of which I am just one of many, but also seminarians. These young priests,