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Aaron Dessner

Broken Record with Rick Rubin, Malcolm Gladwell, Bruce Headlam and Justin Richmond

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The National's Troubled Life

I was curious, when you say that that last tour that you took for the album, the wheels were falling off and everything was sort of falling apart. Was communication breaking down at that point? How traditionally has the band dealt with conflict and times like that? A lot has been said about the national in terms of it being this band of brothers because there's two sets of brothers  and then Scott and Brian Devondorf and then Matt who's the only one who's not a brother but he's sort of central figure as a singer and lyricist. But actually it was never that bad really. I think we just also, it's like part of the identity of the band was

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