There is a group which we just kind of started this episode with, which seems to be like some Republican frontrunners that are pushing it back against. These people who just don't want a central bank digital currency, but have not recommended E-cash as an alternative. Who are these people? Well, this is where I'm extremely cynical and you just heard me. They will put up a shield of civil liberties and privacy and that will crumble the minute that there's some law and order electorate to win. The next generation of public infrastructure is owned and run by private actors for profit. That's what that position is in this debate.

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