Is There Anything More Real Than Suffering?

i don't for me, when i investigated the structure of doubt, the conclusion that i drew was that there is nothing more real than suffering. And people's actions indicate that they believe in their own pain. You can't argue yourself out of it. So it's its it transcends rationality and so it's real. Pain is not a material phenomena. Everything is ted with the material world, because here we are in this world, but we do not understand so it's a qualia if you want to think about it from a philosophical perspective.