Using Trino And Iceberg As The Foundation Of Your Data Lakehouse
Data Engineering Podcast
Challenges in the Data Lakehouse Ecosystem
Exploring conflicting viewpoints on requirements, customizability in early stages, innovation vs. open data space, and frustrations of compromising openness in implementing better solutions.
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A data lakehouse is intended to combine the benefits of data lakes (cost effective, scalable storage and compute) and data warehouses (user friendly SQL interface). Multiple open source projects and vendors have been working together to make this vision a reality. In this episode Dain Sundstrom, CTO of Starburst, explains how the combination of the Trino query engine and the Iceberg table format offer the ease of use and execution speed of data warehouses with the infinite storage and scalability of data lakes.
Announcements
- Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management
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- Data lakes are notoriously complex. For data engineers who battle to build and scale high quality data workflows on the data lake, Starburst powers petabyte-scale SQL analytics fast, at a fraction of the cost of traditional methods, so that you can meet all your data needs ranging from AI to data applications to complete analytics. Trusted by teams of all sizes, including Comcast and Doordash, Starburst is a data lake analytics platform that delivers the adaptability and flexibility a lakehouse ecosystem promises. And Starburst does all of this on an open architecture with first-class support for Apache Iceberg, Delta Lake and Hudi, so you always maintain ownership of your data. Want to see Starburst in action? Go to dataengineeringpodcast.com/starburst and get $500 in credits to try Starburst Galaxy today, the easiest and fastest way to get started using Trino.
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- Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm interviewing Dain Sundstrom about building a data lakehouse with Trino and Iceberg
Interview
- Introduction
- How did you get involved in the area of data management?
- To start, can you share your definition of what constitutes a "Data Lakehouse"?
- What are the technical/architectural/UX challenges that have hindered the progression of lakehouses?
- What are the notable advancements in recent months/years that make them a more viable platform choice?
- There are multiple tools and vendors that have adopted the "data lakehouse" terminology. What are the benefits offered by the combination of Trino and Iceberg?
- What are the key points of comparison for that combination in relation to other possible selections?
- What are the pain points that are still prevalent in lakehouse architectures as compared to warehouse or vertically integrated systems?
- What progress is being made (within or across the ecosystem) to address those sharp edges?
- For someone who is interested in building a data lakehouse with Trino and Iceberg, how does that influence their selection of other platform elements?
- What are the differences in terms of pipeline design/access and usage patterns when using a Trino/Iceberg lakehouse as compared to other popular warehouse/lakehouse structures?
- What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen Trino lakehouses used?
- What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on the data lakehouse ecosystem?
- When is a lakehouse the wrong choice?
- What do you have planned for the future of Trino/Starburst?
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Parting Question
- From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?
Closing Announcements
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Links
- Trino
- Starburst
- Presto
- JBoss
- Java EE
- HDFS
- S3
- GCS == Google Cloud Storage
- Hive
- Hive ACID
- Apache Ranger
- OPA == Open Policy Agent
- Oso
- AWS Lakeformation
- Tabular
- Iceberg
- Delta Lake
- Debezium
- Materialized View
- Clickhouse
- Druid
- Hudi
The intro and outro music is from The Hug by The Freak Fandango Orchestra / CC BY-SA
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- Starburst:  This episode is brought to you by Starburst - a data lake analytics platform for data engineers who are battling to build and scale high quality data pipelines on the data lake. Powered by Trino, Starburst runs petabyte-scale SQL analytics fast at a fraction of the cost of traditional methods, helping you meet all your data needs ranging from AI/ML workloads to data applications to complete analytics. Trusted by the teams at Comcast and Doordash, Starburst delivers the adaptability and flexibility a lakehouse ecosystem promises, while providing a single point of access for your data and all your data governance allowing you to discover, transform, govern, and secure all in one place. Starburst does all of this on an open architecture with first-class support for Apache Iceberg, Delta Lake and Hudi, so you always maintain ownership of your data. Want to see Starburst in action? Try Starburst Galaxy today, the easiest and fastest way to get started using Trino, and get $500 of credits free. [dataengineeringpodcast.com/starburst](https://www.dataengineeringpodcast.com/starburst)
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