ETHZilla wants to turn ETH into Wall Street’s new reserve asset, and they’ve built a plan to do it. Ryan sits down with Avichal Garg (Electric Capital) and Mac Rudisill (ETHZilla) to unpack why ETH treasuries exploded this cycle, how credit markets (converts, preferreds, and debt) supercharge accumulation, and why stablecoins → DeFi → ETH forms a flywheel that turns Ether into high-quality collateral. We dig into leverage discipline, mNAV premiums, operational security, and the business math that makes an ETH treasury look more like Berkshire than a hype trade. Plus: can this wave trigger a DeFi after-boom, and what does “winning” actually mean for ETHZilla?
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TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Intro
3:53 Catching Tom Lee and Peter Thiel Backing
7:53 Treasury vs. ETF vs. Just Holding ETH
11:58 Why Treasuries Are Booming
16:51 New Debt Instruments & Appetite
22:00 Leverage, Rehypothecation & Risk Controls
29:50 The Big Unlock: ETH as High-Quality Collateral
34:35 Stablecoins → DeFi → ETH Flywheel
38:55 “ETH Is the Next Bitcoin?”
54:51 Why ETH Lagged BTC
56:05 ETH vs BTC Treasuries: Yield Surface
1:01:33 Why Electric Capital Runs Deployment
1:03:45 Buy Rules: Time vs. Price
1:09:00 Attention Matters: Spokesperson & Community
1:13:24 What “Winning” Looks Like for ETHZilla
1:17:59 Where Are We in the Cycle?
1:26:12 DeFi Afterboom?
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RESOURCES
Maria Shen’s “Beyond Stablecoins” Report
https://x.com/MariaShen/status/1942658782439395815
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