Dr. Laurence Heller and Dr. Stephen Porges engage in a stimulating conversation about safety cues, life-threat reactions, shame, and connection as our “biological imperative.” Dr. Porges, a distinguished neuroscientist and originator of the Polyvagal Theory, emphasizes the importance of physiological states in expressing trauma-related behavioral and health problems. 

The fascinating exploration takes the listener on a journey of understanding trauma: from learning how the NeuroAffective Relational Model (NARM) and the Polyvagal Theory have profoundly impacted the knowledge of trauma and how the two frameworks relate. Dr. Heller: “What we learn in adapting to connection failures very early on in life is what we have a tendency to carry forward, not just on a cognitive level but on an emotional level and a physiological level.”

About Dr. Larry Heller and Dr. Stephen Porges: 

Dr. Laurence Heller is the creator of the NeuroAffective Relational Model (NARM), Senior Faculty member, International Trainer, and author. 

Stephen W. Porges, Ph.D., is Distinguished University Scientist at Indiana University, where he is the founding director of the Traumatic Stress Research Consortium. He is Professor of Psychiatry at the University of North Carolina and Professor Emeritus at the University of Illinois at Chicago and the University of Maryland. In 1994, Dr. Porges proposed the Polyvagal Theory. The construct links the evolution of the mammalian autonomic nervous system to social behavior and emphasizes the importance of physiological state in expressing behavioral problems and psychiatric disorders. He has published several books and more than 400 peer-reviewed papers. 

Learn More:https://www.stephenporges.com/ https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org https://kinseyinstitute.org/research/traumatic-stress.php

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