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271: Michael Shellenberger's Punk Rock Moment

The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

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Save the Whales!

"Energy was always in the room and energy was always having an impact, either deliberate or unintended on everything," he says. "One of the things that exploration of oil and natural gas did was save the whales because we had to amnier hunted them to extinction" The idea that we can somehow save the climate at the expense of the environment is almost as darkly humorous as you juxtaposing the title of your own paper.

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