Speaker 2
So they are saying that russians are great powers, and a great power, ukrane is not a great power, so they can do anything about with ukranias. If ucranians try to choose another great power than they they don't have a right to exist, and they can be exterminated like joseph conrade once exterminate all the brutes. Is that. Theyare saying. Even morea,
Speaker 1
they suggest a concept which is er interesting. Just to reflect on what they say, literally, if you were loyal i would not attack. That's presumably what russia suggestto to its neighbors, as they, as they say. But the point is, and the truth of this point is that it means that this is up to me to judge if you are loyal. It would be my assessment of your loyalty and of my rightful interests. Ah, i remember my in ounter with the famous russian journalist, benedictof if i'm not mistakin, the formerchif, editor in chief of the aco of moscow,
Speaker 2
moscit, the so called liberal media, which was part of the gaspro media, right? So liberal, but controlled and er and, yes, who was pretending to be e ind of a liberal russian voice. But now it's closed.
Speaker 1
We had meeting in two thousand 14, just a chat, an informal one er. And i was, er, not even surprised, but frankly, shocked when he said that ukraine was to accept the cremeo occupation. When asked why, he actually repeated the same point, this is what the big power can do, so humble yourself. This is the natural way of doing things. I am not telling that that this is a literal fr quote of what he said, but the idea behind his words was jas like that. And here let me, eh, dwell on the elements of the international theory which may help us understand whether this approach is right or not, and if there is something essential within it, and how to and t what kind of attitude should be with, what kind of attitude should we respond to that? A clous dots in his geo politics, very populari bruchu about the theory of the geo politic. Dwelt upon thethe the substance of the realist theory in the international politics. Definitely the realist theorist. Theorists say that states inhabit a world which is anarchical because of an absence of a wold government capable of restrict restricting their actions.