The Demon Haunted World

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When did you first read the demon haunted world? How old were you? I was em i read it when it was new. My parents believed every john birch society kind of thing that there was. When i got in middle school, we lived within walking distance of e public library. And and she said, hey, we got a carl saken's new book. Do you want to read this new book? And i said, ga ya. I want to read anything that he wrote. That first little bit about i have a dragon in my garage, and but you can't see it because it's invisible. And you can't feel the heat because his fire has no heat

In this episode we sit down with Joey Rodman (@okiespacequeen), a science educator in Oklahoma whose recent Twitter thread about using a portable planetarium to reach out to flat earthers went viral thanks to their counterintuitive advice about how to discuss science denial and conspiracy theories with people who may have never interacted with a scientist before.

After years of on-the-ground, one-on-one conversations, Joey has developed a technique similar to those we've discussed on the show, including street epistemology, motivational interviewing, deep canvassing, and even the socratic method. It shares elements with all of these, but was developed in-person through conversations with people who met with Joey in their communities and home towns.

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