I don't like the idea of pain to be honest. In that sense, there's definitely a lot of exchange of value. But I mean, the thesis being because you kind of bought it up, right? It's very different if you're hit, subscribe and hit that notification bell and giving so many money. You jumped the ad and you truly find value from this individual's work. To say my journey to that, yeah, the journey to having people willing to pay for my work is still ongoing.

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