"I feel like we've created a society kind of in the U.N. America, where if you're not careful, you can kind of you can get lapped in and believe in that," he says. "My experience of life is the opposite of that." The place that feels good is you right. There's that's you that's ground level, whatever you want to call it bedrock. You'll know when you're there because you're already the paradox is you're already there".

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