In the early formation days, when you were just running prop capital, you had found your way to Asia because of emerging market banking. Were you ever thinking at that point, we should leave and go set up somewhere else or go to the islands like a lot of firms went? Absolutely thought we had an edge because having an understanding of both Western markets and what was going on on the ground in China gave us a huge information edge. And then going back to that point you made about that kind of life changing moment, it's a quote I get a lot. But for me, it was reversed pan-frucyling.

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