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A Jan. 6 Committee Staffer on Far-Right Extremism

The Lawfare Podcast

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Is Trump a Mastermind or a Bumbler?

Sally Kohn: I can tell a story based on what you've told me that Trump is a mastermind and he's a scientist. He saw when the pandemic began an opportunity to start seeding this ideology and lead people along, we end up with January 6th where he's encouraging everyone to go to the Capitol as part of a master plan. But I can also tell a story where he's a bumbler. He just says what comes into his mind. And so I don't spend too much time thinking about the extent to which he's aware because the reality is that he's aware enough," she said.

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