So you would, you might try a, you know, a little bit of a felt sense work with the client, and the client just says, you know, i don't get what you mean. What do you mean? What does my body feel right? It's like, well, there's, there's a closed door, like, what option do i have now? So when you have an eclectic practice, fortunately, you say, ok, that pathway is closed. Let's try something else. And i think that's pretty typical, you know, that's pretty typical about the way we would work. So a, but it's all so curious, like, could i, how could i know that? That wouldn't be a good question right now to ask the client, yu knowhow? And could i, could i help them to open that up? How might i do that? Right? So those kinds of questions were stirring. When i say that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't work. Does it make sense? So i had an integrating insight. Ah, i think it was probably run two thousand ten or so. And the insight was thatall these methods work, but they work at different depths. And of course, that explains why they work and why they don't work. Because if the client is a orienting to their experience at a particular depth, and you meet them there with a methodology that specializes in that depth, it works really well. But if you try to meet them with a methodology that specializes at a different depth, then there's a miss match, you know, in one of the, you know, one of the the principles of of coaching as well as psycho therapy, always meet the client where they are. Well, what if we start to understand where the client is in terms of depth? That brings a whole new sensitivity in terms of how to meet them. And it's not simply meeting them where they are. It's meeting them where they are a with a range of methodological moves that we can make a that that support them at that depth, at meet them at that depth and help them explore and open up that depth. So, um, when i had that insight very, very quickly thereafter, i realized that, at least for me and the way i could see it, there were four depths. And i could immediately see that the kinds of methods that i had been studying kind of filtered quite neatly into thesefour depths. And that became the kind of backbone view of depth that i that i use in alethia coaching and teach. And a initially i felt like like probably we would work at the shallowest depth with clients, and after some months, we would, they would graduate. We would graduate the conversation into a next deeper depth. And several months later, we would go deeper and so on. But in fact, that's not how it worked. How it worked was that clients were navigating up and down these depths very dynamically in the span of a single coaching conversation. So it wasn't a matter of of flipping from one methodology to another. I had to actually create an integration of method that could fluidly and seamlessly flow between the depths. And that was happening in a in an orderly way, but in a way that was so complex as to not be predictable in a certain kind of waya, so we actually had to, you have to follow the client as much as you lead the client in this, in this way of coaching. A, and that's really how the method began to unfold for me, was a, seeing that distinction of depth, seeing how the methodologies fit, recognizing we needed to have a more integrated sense of all of them that could fluidly flow. And a, that's what i teach these days,

wonderful depths,

the four depths.